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Yeah Devi just laughed at his racial statements. He tried the racial card by saying it's a black owned farm and they can do whatever they want 0*\


Next trip to the bush??

Let me think......................
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Richprins wrote:Spoke to a hunter colleague today, who says this is not that unusual, normally done when there are too many hunters around to walk in the bush at once without shooting each other. But not on this industrial and close scale. Will hear more?

I reckon one should stay away from the "savages" type of comment until all sides of the story have been heard? -O-
RP, just to be clear, the message to Mr Mafela was not from me. \O


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Ja, I know, Flutts! \O \O \O

But as another post said, polite comments! O0


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Do you want me to remove that pic?


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No!


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\O


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WAR - Wildlife At Risk International

Anton de Vries, the Dutch Walter Palmer?

Following the events of the Alldays Driven hunt today, 1 name keeps popping up…
De Vries, the CEO of SAFE, South African Fruit Exporters is mentioned as the Architect of the driven hunt taking place this week.

Anton de Vries is the owner of Ammondale Lodge in Alldays where all the hunters are staying right now but so far he has refused to talk to anybody inquiring about this bloody event.
He came from the Netherlands to South Africa in 1997 and founded the company together with his friend Erwin Bouland. Safe owns many farms in South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Mozambique and Zimbabwe building the company to one of the largest fruit exporting companies of SA
The fruit exporter was accused of corruption in 2013.

We learned that a lot of the hunters, present in Alldays come from Belgium and the Netherlands. A friendly get together with hunting mates? We’re investigating this and will post regular updates.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/agricu ... corruption


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Lisbeth wrote:A driven hunt is a driven hunt and whatever the organizers can say, to me it is savage and it should not be allowed!!!
I agree \O


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Confederation of Hunters Associations of SA The “Driven Hunt” Debacle - Carte Blanche & National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

The South African Hunters Confederation (CHASA) has taken note of the posting by the NSPCA on their social media page as well as the expose relating to an apparent planned “driven” hunt near Alldays in Limpopo Province. We comment as follows:

The method of hunting loosely referred to as “Driven” and which this particular event appears to be based on does indeed occur in a number of biomes and for a number of species both in South Africa and globally. In these circumstances it is certainly a legal, accepted and sustainable hunting method and in certain areas has deep rooted historic and cultural significance. Both the NSPCA and Carte Blanche outputs relating to this form of hunting contain elements of sensationalism or emotionalism which we believe is perhaps a consequence of the drafters thereof having no proper knowledge of hunting methods generally.

We recognise however, that in this specific instance, in this biome and for the likely species, it is not a normal hunting method. While we have no direct further information, we surmise from what was shown that the landowners having recently acquired these estates as part of a land redistribution process are relatively new to the game ranching industry and are perhaps in need of some mentorship and guidance relating to their newfound opportunity. It is also quite conceivable that their prospective foreign clients come from a country where driven hunts are what they know, and perhaps asked for this, thus the combination of their lack of knowing of our typical “walk & stalk” style of hunting in that province plus the landowner or their management team wishing to satisfy the client’s wishes has lead them to a less than ideal method.

It must be said that animals will instinctively move away from advancing beaters, and will be that much further ahead should these beaters be rowdy. Having looked at the footage of the setup, we believe that if the animals are chased to the degree that they are actually running, there is almost no prospect of telling shots and we suspect the final bag will disappoint both hunter and landowner. Should however, these beaters be instructed to move quietly and slowly, there is every chance animals will walk probably some 500m or more ahead of the beater line and typically when reaching an open patch such as that cleared road, would stop on the fringes for a while before crossing, possibly affording anyone sitting with such a steady position to take very deliberate and telling shots here and there. This is said not to promote this as a hunting method, but to illustrate that the inferences that animals are going to be herded into mass firing zones where they would be “riddled with lead” and stressed to the extreme simply cannot be true. Nor can the statement that the meat will not even be used be true. In all instances with trophy or meat hunting the meat is never wasted. Game meat already supplies many tons of healthy, sustainable and affordable protein in South Africa as more than 20 million hectares has converted from less efficient domestic stock over to game animals in the past 4 decades, resulting in a national ranched herd of game estimated to exceed 16 million animals.

We, together with other stakeholders in the greater hunting and wildlife domain, stand ready to offer our experience and assistance to these new entrants to this exciting and sustainable business, to help ensure their marketing and methods of hunting is done in a manner that is good for the wildlife, the country and their own profitability.

Stephen Palos
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- Elephants aren't even permitted on the driven hunt qouta. This is a proper why to show how Anti Hunters gives false information and nowhere do they state about the elephants non hunting policy on the driven hunt that is taking place.


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They might not have stated specifically that elephants are excluded, but have listed the animals which are included.

I am against any kind of hunt which is not necessary, but as a side note, which satisfaction can a hunter be feeling just to stand there and wait for the animals to appear :-? 0- 0-


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